tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post5672544303774666468..comments2013-12-19T10:18:52.081-08:00Comments on Life In EvE: Life in a Wormhole: Welcome to the Alliance #eveonlineAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06586295585650827603noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-76769924517267280702011-10-19T14:06:27.000-07:002011-10-19T14:06:27.000-07:00Sounds like you are in for a rough week. I was cur...Sounds like you are in for a rough week. <br><br>I was curious if you could go into a bit more detail about WH mechanics. If I scan down the persistent K-space connection (or any “outbound”) it isn’t activated. If I warp to the hole does it activate, or only if I jump through? Also when I show info on the home side of the WH is that how I can tell if it’s an outbound or inbound? It’s not very clear… as you can see I’m confused.Tweednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-25627747868187993042011-10-19T14:30:58.000-07:002011-10-19T14:30:58.000-07:00Hi Tweed,Don't feel bad about being confused -...Hi Tweed,<br><br>Don't feel bad about being confused -- it's a damned confusing topic, and a lot of what is 'known' about all of this is deductive work done by the players: it's not something that's ever been verified in official channels (at least as far as I've been able to find).<br><br>This is what is "known" (in the way that the most reliable scientific theories are 'known'):<br><br>1. If you scan the persistent outbound wormhole connection and resolve it, you have its location, but it is not yet activated. This has been 'proved' about as thoroughly as anything like this can be proved -- simply because no wormhole pilots have (in the last two years) ever seen a pilot come into their system via a wormhole that no one 'inside' the wormhole visited first.<br><br>2. The 'other side' of a wormhole is activated either when you warp 'on grid' with it (on grid simply means you're close enough to it for it to show up on your overview), or when you jump through it. No one's entirely sure of which it is.<br><br>I don't 'know' any more than anyone else, but I'd be willing to bet 20 bucks that the other side of a wormhole is determined (and the 'k162' side created) when you warp on-grid with the wormhole, regardless of whether or not you actually jump through. Reasons include:<br><br>a) The 'lifespan' timer on a wormhole starts from the moment you warp on-grid with the wormhole for the first time, NOT from the first time (if any) you jump through it.<br>b) There's a tiny lag spike the first time you warp on-grid with a new wormhole -- that feels like the database being updated, to me.<br>c) It just makes more coding sense. You never know when the wormhole will actually get jumped through, so it's just more efficient to generate the exit point at the moment when it first becomes remotely possible that they might jump, rather than waiting until someone actually does -- it's not like the jump-zoning effect needs more lag added to it.<br><br>You can tell if a wormhole is an outbound or an inbound by the "name" of the wormhole on Overview: a K162 wormhole is ALWAYS an inbound connection (in other words, the origin-point of the wormhole is the other system, not yours); any other name classification is an outbound. This is important to know, because if you see a k162, it automatically means that someone outside of your wormhole opened it, and may be sneaking around your wormhole right now.<br><br>The info screen mostly tells you stuff like the general category of space that the wormhole connects to, how long before it dies of old age, and how destabilized it is from use.doycethttp://doycetesterman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-15952633482730334022011-10-19T14:53:35.000-07:002011-10-19T14:53:35.000-07:00Ahhhhh I see. So when I scan down a WH in K-space ...Ahhhhh I see. <br><br>So when I scan down a WH in K-space that’s why they all (almost all) have a K162 designation on the K-space side (someone came out). When I jump through, I bookmark the WH side of W-space and see it has a separate designation. If you jump to a WH to check the “Show Info”, it activates it. So I guess you just know where the connections are, not what they are (in your situation now). Basically if I’m in my WH and I see a WH that pops up with a K162, that’s a bad thing. Got it.<br> <br>Another question… All WH’s have 1 static connection right (as in the same system each and every day)? C1-3 are usually K-space and the higher ones are static to another low level WH. I guess my question is on the difference between static connections and persistent. Like if same said WH had a persistent connection to a C5 will it always be the same C5 or a different C5 each new day/WH creation? I think you see where im going with this… kinda hard to explain. <br><br>It all goes back to the day you wrote about mapping your home “system”, got me very curious. <br><br>Thanks for taking the time.Tweednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-41880229502120967962011-10-19T15:04:33.000-07:002011-10-19T15:04:33.000-07:00Yup: a lot of the wormholes you'll find in kno...Yup: a lot of the wormholes you'll find in known space will be K162s. Most, but not all.<br><br>There is a way to make a very good educated guess as to what kind of wormhole is, without visiting it -- it has to do with scanning a system with a single probe at 32 AU and knowing what signal strength all the wormholes will show up as in those conditions... The trick is, that strength varies depending on your ship, your skills, your probes, and lots of other stuff, so it's only a guess, even if a good one.<br><br>All wormholes but Class 2s have 1 static connection; class 2s have two static connections. They are also the most numerous type of wormhole.<br><br>Class 1s, 2s, and 3s always have a static connection to known space. In addition, Class 2s always have an additional static connection to some specific class of wormholes. For instance, our first class2 home has static connections to HighSec and Class1 space; our new home statics are LowSec and Class2 (which is nice, since we're guaranteed at least one additional wormhole system past our first one, since we connect to another Class2).<br><br>I use "persistent" instead of "static" because I think Static is a terrible designation for what a wormhole is -- "static" implies unchanging, and a wormhole connection is anything but that -- stargates are 'static', from my point of view. "Persistent" means there will always be a connection there, but it can (and will) change in terms of what that connection means -- like a marriage. <br><br>But basically, just assume when I say persistent that I mean the same thing as when anyone else says "static".doycethttp://doycetesterman.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-77588919320891574752011-10-19T15:37:05.000-07:002011-10-19T15:37:05.000-07:00Wormhole mining ops rock. If you don't have to...Wormhole mining ops rock. If you don't have to look over your should for stealth bombers, WH mining ops are great.CBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-641942380907873549.post-73935711418370713572011-10-20T06:39:31.000-07:002011-10-20T06:39:31.000-07:00I can fit 243 ABC ores in 1 Great Secure Container...I can fit 243 ABC ores in 1 Great Secure Container. I can hold 9 of those in a mammoth. That's 2187 ore in one out bound trip to K space. With 1000 ore being compressed to 1 800m3 ore I can fit 4 of those ores in 1 GSC which means 36 compressed blocks going out. That's 2187 the old way and 36000 the new way in one trip. Can't wait.Shannoreply@blogger.com